Room #17100.  If you go down to the snake pit trying to reach the lever for the gray door (which I now know is not the right way) and killing the snakes (and a few Jacks) you are stuck in that pit.

Excuse me, brell....

Of course I know that -theoretically - that is possible... and that's why there are so many snakes in there !!

But who is repeatedly walking into a trap like that ???  (When it's soo obvious that it's a trap, after you've fallen into it for the first time....).

Sorry, folks.... but this one has to remain in there.  Just avoid the trap, when you're walking there for the second time.....


BTW:  God almighty..... you forced me into giving the word "trap" away  (there might be some players left, who haven't yet gotten to that room..... to them: please forget what you just read).   :)

@ aquaMat: Since I have beta-tested this mansion, you know that we don't have exactly the same opinion about e.g. Jack-stucks in general. What is not so important. But that is not the point here. To answer your question, I believe that doing what brell did is not that strange. When I was there I had the same experience, because I thought there could be a prize, a side-jump to the left, a lever, ... So repeating this movement is really not sooo odd, I think.

Freddy has more or less answered for me ;)

To me it was NOT obvious that it is just a trap.  

This I learned the hard way while making TWM and BtSO:  No matter how things look obvious to you, the builder, they will NOT look the same to the player.  Actually this might as well be posted on the "sins" list:  Don't assume anything about the players.  If there is a stupid/obscure/unorthodox/whatever way to play a room, there will be a player who will do it no matter whether it leads to JS or cheap death or any other unforeseen situation.

brell, Freddy:

Of corse I know that last point well.... "do not assume anything that seems obvious to you might be obvious to all others"
...and usually -as you know- I try to stick to that rule.  (I also learned that the hard way, BTW)

But in this case:  Who -of a sane mind- would hide a prize / key in a pit where you have to victimise 4 lives before you could get at it ??  I sure wouldn't.
And the green room is such a nice puzzle, and the "trap" is an important part of it that I do not want to change it.

For freedom's sake....let's not turn this whole thing into a "who spots the most Jack-stucks contest".   :)

aquaMat wrote on 14.02.2007 at 20:17:21:

But in this case:  Who -of a sane mind- would hide a prize / key in a pit where you have to victimise 4 lives before you could get at it ??

Mmmh, some crazy architect maybe? Are we all sane here? [smiley=evil.gif]


aquaMat wrote on 14.02.2007 at 20:17:21:

For freedom's sake....let's not turn this whole thing into a "who spots the most Jack-stucks contest".   :)

Ach, too bad. I'm sure I could come up with an impressive list of obscure ways to stuck poor Jack  ::)

You are right, because Toybox always wins!! ;D

Okay - it's not a "Jack-Stuck" - but I am stuck in 17,508 and can't find where to go next...

I didn't actually ever do this one previously, and now, I'm trying it in HD.

*spoiler* found the key, so that's not the problem, but I tried going to the right - nothing; up, no way; nothing down either... HELP???

Hi suztours- highlight to see ***spoiler alert***

You should be able to go right, and up.

I don't know how to check this in HD without playing through to that point, but post if you're still stuck.

Josephine - I tried that but couldn't find a way to go up!

Whoops - found how to jump up... first couple of times I tried it, nothing happened... This time, it did.

Thanks.

Hello there.....

..... just dropped by - after a very long hiatus - and stumbled upon this.

As you have found out by yourself by now:
Perseverance is the key (apparently)....     8-)

Hi aquamat, welcome back! There's still stuff happening here- check out the new mansion "Hanging Gardens of Babylon," and an easy version of Yellow Sub (which has some cool new additions) is coming soon. Rumor has it there's also another mansion almost ready for beta testing  [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Thanks, Josephine !

I had already seen that there is a new mansion.... and have already downloaded it, but not played it yet.

Even if I am lucky enough to still have my old G5 (running Mac OS 10.4) in use (in the studio), I do mainly use my MacBook Pro (with 10.7.4) these days.....  which pretty much single-handedly ended my mansion-designing days.
And this - alas - is also the reason why I haven't yet played HGoB.... as it is a HD-Mansion and I don't own a full HD-version of MM.

It's all so sad.......   :(

With one exception I haven't played MM at all for more than a year now.....  and I remember the many years where I spent several hours each day visiting the forums, designing, testing and playing MM.

However.....  the newly released mansion reminded me of the fact that I have at least 3 or 4 "almost-completed" mansions for both, MM1 and MM2 lying around.... which I never finished properly.

With at least some of them it's probably a shame.....   and maybe one day I summon enough energy and will-power to at least finish them to at least a playable BETA-stage or something.
So they wouldn't be completely lost to mankind....   ;)  8-)

HGoB is NOT an HD mansion.  It is an MM2 mansion.  There is a way to play MM1 and MM2 and work in the builders in 10.7 and beyond but it is rather slow.  Check this thread, reply #5:

http://www.actionsoft.com/forums/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1353246978

Oh.... it's not ??? 

I was under the impression - because when - after downloading - I pressed cmd-I (Information) it said:  "Midnight Mansion HD Document" !!

So if it's not.... I can just transfer it to my old MAC and play it there with MM2.....  very well indeed !

Thx, brell.