Hi,

Boy oh boy is this a hard mansion.  Lots of CD's.  I think that this is a Jack Stuck.  Please advise.  
When are you going to fine tune it?  It's a Great Hard Mansion!

In this pic, Jack can't get back to p/u the red key.  I will post the other
pic where Jack can't get out of either, because he doesn't have a purple key.

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Here's the room to the left of the pic above.  J.S. I think.....pls advise

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Missy, check whether you can find any advice in the long "Church" thread.  I never finished this not-so-well-polished mansion.  Sam promised us an update long time ago but we haven't heard from him for quite a time now.  Actually we should not have put this mansion on the custom mansion list in the state it is in but we thought it was thoroughly beta tested.

Thank you Brell,

I did check the long thread....there is no mention of hints,
Only complaints that there are so many CD's and JS's and not finished.

To bad someone else does not finish this mansion properly as it really is worth it.

Oh well.  

Missy wrote on 03.12.2008 at 03:56:38:

To bad someone else does not finish this mansion properly as it really is worth it.

Agreed, but then there is the question of authority (is that the right term?).

Vern has his contact info.  If the creator gives permission then it would be worth completing.
If the creator is no where to be found.....then what's the problem?
It's not like there is a domain claim.....is there?

Freddy and I also have his e-mail.  To me it is still a question of copyright regardless whether the author can be contacted or not.

Since you are in possession of his email, have you tried contacting him thru his personal email?

BTW:  Is it not the copyright of Vern's game that these CM's are based on?  Aren't these CM's considered Fangames based on licensed computer games?

Was there a written agreement between the licensed copyright owner and the CM creator?  Only Vern can answer that question as the CM creator is not making himself/herself available.

See below question posted on the net in this link:  
Copyright questions concerning computer games

http://www.intelproplaw.com/Copyright/Forum/msg/6740.shtml

"If the creators of the fangame are approached by the company with the copyrights and are offered the rights to publish the games even if the company owns the copyrights, can they make a deal that ensures that the fangame won't be taken away from them or discontinued at a later stage just because they agreed to produce the game under their supervision?"

I didn't mean copyright laws or anything like that.  I only meant "ethical copyright".  For example, I am not sure that I would like it if someone else changed one of my CM's and then made it available to the MM public.
But it is open to debate.  If the mansion is truly unplayable without changes then something must be done.  It would be nice to have more views on this.

And yes, Freddy has tried to contact him.  If I remember correctly, Sam had promised us an update but that was ages ago.

Some time people change their email address.  Perhaps you have his phone number on file, or use 411 reverse search with his address or phone number or anything.

But I agree, it would be nice to contact the person first.  If to no avail and all post attempts have been made to get creator to surface, well, then the CM, sorry to put it so bluntly........ is up for grabs.

I'll chime in with my view. I think making simple structural changes to get rid of Jack stucks and unintended Jack deaths from uneven flooring and such would be okay. I wouldn't mess with the design.

I'd be happy to volunteer to do that if you want, brell.

Thank You Semi-Native.....it could not have been said better.

Semi-Native wrote on 04.12.2008 at 02:45:54:

I'll chime in with my view. I think making simple structural changes to get rid of Jack stucks and unintended Jack deaths from uneven flooring and such would be okay. I wouldn't mess with the design. I'd be happy to volunteer to do that if you want, brell.

Thanks.  I'll wait until Freddy is back and then we'll make a decision.  We have indeed been thinking about this before but so far not wanted to interfere.  Besides, I think it is a little bit more than just correcting JS's and cd's.  But then I haven't played through the mansion - I am only repeating the rumor  8-)

I just happened to find this thread (Daedelus/ Superbe !! ) where Sam Skelton replied recently (Nov. 08/08), so I am not sure if he would really be that hard to find. :)

(Sorry; don't know how to post links !!!  Any help would be welcome!)

Hope that helps,

Take care all !!!

SandyBean [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Thank you Sandy Bean......I just send him an email.  

I asked him to read these posts and to let us know as to how to proceed and if he did not want to fine tune his CM, then perhaps he would let Semi-Native work on it for him, and for him to post his desires or instructions for all to see.  

I hope that he responds.  It's a Great Mansion and deserves to be fine tuned and played all the way thru.

I would be happy if one of you guys could fix it for me. I'm coming up to my midterms, so I have very little time on my hands. I've always been trying to get myself to fix it, but I never seem to get to it. So, if someone is willing to fix it for me, that would be great. I worked very hard on this mansion, and I would really like to see it complete. Thanks! I'll see if I can check up a little more around here...

Thank You very much for your prompt reply to my email Sam Skeleton.


And Thank You for permission to fine tune YOUR GREAT, CREATIVE HARD MANSION.  It would have been a pity not to have it beta tested  any played, after all your creative efforts.  

Good Luck with your mid-terms.  I hope you pass with flying colours.

Thank You again!

Well Semi-Native.....permission has been granted by the CM creator himself.  I hope you take up his offer.

Thanks very much, Sam!

I'll start on it next week if nobody has any objections. Hubby and I are going out of town tomorrow but will be back Sunday.
8-)

All right, thanks guys! Really appreciate it. I'll be studying all next week, so I hope I de well. (^Yay Obama!  ;D :P)

No objections from me and surely not from Freddy  :)

Thanks everyone for working together on this, and especially you, Semi-Native for your willingness to help complete Church.  I know there are many of us who enjoyed the mansion, and want to get to the exit with all our Gold !!!

Me and Jack are looking so forward to going back to Church !  ;)

SandyBean [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]