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Message started by Semi-Native on 03.12.2010 at 04:56:22

Title: Broken ladder
Post by Semi-Native on 03.12.2010 at 04:56:22
In 18092, the ladder is broken. Jack can't climb down without falling to death.

I don't know why this is an issue all of a sudden, but this has happened in some other custom MM1 mansions.

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by brell on 03.12.2010 at 19:16:02
Is this at the top of the ladder.  I mean is Jack coming from the room above?

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by Semi-Native on 03.12.2010 at 20:58:16
Yes, brell.  Wasn't it you that had to fix some ladders, too?

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by brell on 03.12.2010 at 23:03:52
Yes.  Strange.

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by aquaMat on 04.12.2010 at 21:31:16
I really don't understand this either!

This ladder always worked perfectly (otherwise noone could have finished JUMP, ever!) - and now doesn't anymore.

I remeber that there have been some changes made by Vern as to how ladders behave - but I don't remember the details.
And  BTW, I'm absolutely no fan opf changes that may cause old mansions to suddenly behave differently !

However - here's what I did:
The ladder - as it was - had 2 ladder tiles with "gaps" in them, right next to another - this caused Jack's fall, apparantly.

So I have now changed the left of those "gap-tiles" into a normal ladder tile (see circled area in PIC below, upper left corner)  - et voilą: Jack doesn't fall anymore !!

But please don't ask me what it was that caused this ladder problem - or to be more precise: what was it that caused Vern to change the behaviour of some ladder tiles ??!?   :-?   :-/

I will send an update of JUMP to Brell later today or tomorrow.

Jump_-_Ladder_18092.jpg (115 KB | 512 )

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by aquaMat on 04.12.2010 at 21:56:02
PostScriptum to my last post (below):

It gets even stranger !!
After I had replaced the left "gap-tile" (as described below), I had -of course- tried it out - and had managed to climb the ladder up + back down twice WITHOUT my Jack falling to death.
However, afterwards I tried it again, from the room above - and this time he fell again!!!

So I found out that changing just the left gap-tile wasn't enough - the right gap-tile still causes Jack to die (at least about 1 out of 4 times !).
This is something I really DISLIKE - because I have very often used those "gap-tiles" in my ladder-designs to give the ladders an old, rotten, "almost-broken" look - which is something which has always contributed a lot to the overall look of my rooms.
(Those of you who know my mansions are aware of my love of detail, especially as far as the optical side is concerned !)

I'd never use a ladder whose tiles are all the same over the whole length - same with columns, or backgrounds etc. I always love a bit of irregularity, 'cause that makes it look 'more real' !!

So to know that I now can never use those "gap-tiles" again, is very frustrating!
Also I'm sure, I have used them in at least 80 % of my mansions.... and I really don't feel much like going through all of them to look for broken ladders.... and I don't have the time for that, either!

I strongly vote for getting the old ladder-behaviour back !!

BTW, my solution for the problem in JUMP now, is:
I have moved the gap-tile two units further down - to keep the "old + broken ladder look", but have Jack fall on his feet alive!
Please see pic below.
Jump_-_Ladder_18092_B.jpg (106 KB | 515 )

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by aquaMat on 05.12.2010 at 21:39:06
Meanwhile in Berlin:

If what I said yesterday about those "gap-tiles" in ladders is true, I figured there must be a whole lot of other rooms in my mansions that have ladders which are suddenly malfunctioning.

So I checked "The Birdcage" (I had to start somewhere).
And indeed - in room 14292 I found a ladder that had 2 "gap-tiles", similar to the situation in JUMP! discussed below.  (See pic attached)

However, when I tested the room, my Jack could climb and descend that ladder without any bodily harm - just as it was intended.

So - can anybody (Vern?) tell me why the ladder in JUMP! resulted in a deadly fall, even after there was only 1 "gap-tile" left - whereas the ladder in The Birdcage doesn't harm Jack at all ??!?

I don't get it.

I also checked "The Complex" - where are a quite a few ladders, several of which feature at least tiny gaps. NONE of them caused Jack to die !
Birdcage-Ladder.jpg (95 KB | 460 )

Title: Re: Broken ladder
Post by brell on 05.12.2010 at 22:04:35
Strange!  This seems to apply to SOME custom mansions but not all.  Perhaps it is only one kind of ladder tile that is malfunctioning?

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