After playing  ToP Easy, probably at least 20 times, I still end of with the same number of secrets 10 of possible 13.  Not trying to give things away, but I have found the secrets in Rms  (all starting with 15) and in no particular order: 902,695,495,689,292,696,494,891,494, and 098.  If anyone can PM me with some hints that would be great.  I have been jumping into walls, trying to find hidden ladders, etc with no luck.  Thanks.

I am a kind of Newbie  8-) ;) and experience the same so far. Two attempts left me with 10 out of 13 secrets and $ 600 missing.

But I will never give up. Unless Vern did change anything to this mansion, it MUST be possible to find everything, since others could. So it is only a matter of time. And patience. And more patience ...  :D

FREDDY!!!!  So nice to hear from you, welcome back!
:D

Oh, and keep plugging away for those secrets. Some of them are well hidden. Obviously.  ::)

Hi Freddy! Nice to hear from you!

Hmm... it seems that the old timers have totally stolen miltrump's thread - just because a beerdrinker from Brugge suddenly turns up!  8-)


Very nice to see you again, my dear friend.  :)

Thanks for all your nice words!! :)

Previous month I bought a new iMac. And probably that was the trigger that brought me (already a little bit) back. Only as a player so far. And a little bit visiting MMF.

It felt as a good idea to start with installing the HD version of MM and play those mansions first. I did put myself back on the MM world map with a #1 place on the high score list of Falcon Manor easy. :P Not that playing fast is important. But it is a way to get the game back in the fingers.

Now to stay to topic, and to avoid that the admins move my post ;D, I announce that right now I do visit ToP easy again. Who searches will find!!

Freddy wrote on 20.11.2011 at 20:21:05:

Now to stay to topic, and to avoid that the admins move my post ;D, I announce that right now I do visit ToP easy again. Who searches will find!!

But, Freddy, you ARE still one of the admins  so you can remove your own posts yourself  ;)

I just replayed ToP easy again and got 10 secrets (=76%).

My Jack arrived at the first saving spot, with nothing new found so far.

So my question (e.g. to Semi-Native) is: are the other three secrets hinted? At least a little bit.

I think I know 2 of the ones you're missing, and they are slightly hinted. I don't know about the 3rd one.

All I can say is that Jack should jump everywhere and of course, try walking through walls.

miltrump, did you ever find all the secrets?
8-)

There is one secret at least before the first saving point. And there are 6 in the next section, two very well hidden. It took me quite awhile before I found those.

Thanks for the replies. A few minutes ago my Jack arrived at Save #4. He found a not hinted secret somewhere at the left of that 8 rooms long yellow pole.

@ rose: do you mean that at Save #2 I should have 1+6=7 secrets? That should mean that I am missing the two others between the first two saving points.

Yes, Freddy, that is what I mean. At least in the version I have. You can come and play it here ;D

Found them!! :) And the missing $ 600.

Yay!
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Finished it with all secrets and money in just a little bit more than half an hour.

Is it possible that this nice mansion was designed by Psychotronic? The way of using the BBBs (is this acronym for brown blackboards still in use?) and of creating the dark rooms are the most obvious issues that gave me that feeling.

Jacob created the basic design for Normal (and Hard), and Vern adapted the Normal design for Easy. Fun mansion - I especially liked the Hard version.

So good to see you back here in the MMF Freddy !!! 

Hope you are doing well and enjoying all the HD mansions  :)


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Freddy wrote on 20.11.2011 at 22:33:10:

Thanks for the replies. A few minutes ago my Jack arrived at Save #4. He found a not hinted secret somewhere at the left of that 8 rooms long yellow pole.

Freddy, if by "not hinted" you are referring to what I think you are, I must disagree.  The hint is very subtle and would have been impossible in the old MM.

I assume that there must have been some glow that I didn't notice.

What brings me to some novelties that I saw so far in HD.

1. Keys replacing shields in a full rugsack is a major advantage. :)

2. Glow around keys work in both ways. Like in ToP easy it may be used as a hint. But for builders it will be more complicated to hide keys. (Although conservative builders will say that keys are not supposed to be hided. Since, if there hided, there is not a clear puzzle anymore.)

3. Nice light and shadow work in the HD version.

4. No more ladder jumps in the official mansions. :'( But, to my surprise, still possible in the custom mansions!! 8-)

Yes, Freddy, we all opted for ladder jumps in the custom mansions to Verns dismay. He just isn't used to them.

Yep. I understand and respect Vern's point of view. When he created MM ladder jumps where never meant to be.

On the other hand there were/are so many custom mansions with this trick, that with changing this possibility, so much repairs should have been needed. :o

So okay for the two ways. Besides that beginning players may be very surprised in the CMs. Like I was in ToP easy when a jump didn't work. :(

Freddy wrote on 21.11.2011 at 19:00:01:

2.Glow around keys work in both ways. Like in ToP easy it may be used as a hint. But for builders it will be more complicated to hide keys. (Although conservative builders will say that keys are not supposed to be hided. Since, if there hided, there is not a clear puzzle anymore.)

When the HD builder is released the glowing will be optional.

Haven't found them yet, but now at least I know where to look.  Will let you know.

Found the two before the second save.  Still missing one.  :(

Miltrump, look carefully around the rooms to the left of the looong pole.

I found 4 of them to left of the long pole.  I think I've jumped into every wall I could find.

No wall jumping needed  ;)

Freddy wrote on 21.11.2011 at 19:00:01:

2.Glow around keys work in both ways. Like in ToP easy it may be used as a hint. But for builders it will be more complicated to hide keys. (Although conservative builders will say that keys are not supposed to be hided. Since, if there hided, there is not a clear puzzle anymore.)

If  you get the latest version of the Level Builder (1.2.2) there is an option to turn off shadows and glows for keys and coins, I think on both a per-mansion basis, and individually. I think.

www.actionsoft.com/files/mm/LevelBuilder1.2.2.zip

It does not run on Lion however, and you must "export" mansions to the HD format after editing. It adds to the work, but it's still at least possible to edit mansions if you have OS X 10.6 or earlier. See the FAQ (linked elsewhere on the forums) for info on how to export to the HD format.

Okay I just checked, and you can disable coin glows, key glows, and shadows on a per-room basis, AND for an entire mansion at once.

This is available *now*, using the 1.2.2 version of the level builder linked to above. Brell, feel free to post this link to any other thread you feel is appropriate so more people know about it. I must have forgotten to publicize this?

Oh and also, it would be good for custom mansion designers to use the new abilities in the 1.2.2 editor to fix problems in their mansions with the HD version. (For instance, some bricks that are used to hide things and cast shadows that shouldn't -- shadows should be disabled in these rooms.)

Found them  ;D

Congrats !! :)

OK PLEASE help. I have played this TOP easy many times. Every time I get 12 secrets. From reading your posts I think the 13th is left of the long pole on the far right of screen. But is it at top of pole or bottom?  I have guessed it may be beneath room 502 or 503 but have not found any way to get into it. I cannot die without 100 % on all levels.  I will be 69 in a couple months. Take pity. Give me another clue. Thank you.

The 13th is in a room to the left of the long pole closer to the top than the bottom.  The hint is VERY subtle and has to do with the new glowing ability.

Ok I am trying again. I found 12 right off first time I played and one is to the very far left of that pole. But someplace I am missing one. I will watch for glows. thanks.

OK, I have searched every room. The only glows on my screen are candle flames. I have seen your notes about stuff glowing but have not seen the glow. Yes, I have HD version. I even tried looking without my glasses to locate a glow. I really need  a better hint.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!

There is one point where Jack is climbing down a vine through a wall and there are little ledges on each side of the vine for him to jump on. The opening is small and easy to miss. Did you get both of those? Sorry I don't have the room number offhand.

I have killed myself many times trying every notch sticking out close enough to a vine to jump. 

These are just little jumps, close to the vine. One on each side, at the same level.

33 lives later I have now jumped off every inch of every vine in this last section of the game (brown and gold area.) I still have not found clue 13. Either I am defective of my game is. But I located a new way to get from one vine into the angel area next to it. I thought that path was fixed after a previous note located a way in. My email is publicaddress@mindspring.com if you want to give me more information. I will jsut give up and go on to completely the other levels.

It's not in the last section, it's somewhere in the middle. If I get a chance, I'll go through the game and post the room number later.

Room 15491 is where I'm talking about.

oh I got those two early in the game before save 1. At save 1 I had 1. At save 2 I had 7. At save 3 I had 12. And that is since the first time I played the game. I cannot find another one. I went on to playing other levels because when you repeatedly play same one you start to memorize your path and keep repeating the same error if you have one.

The secret BDL is missing is in the end section of the mansion.  As I said, in a room to the left of the long pole.  There are some vines in this room.

Still have not located the 13th secret. I have considered maybe it is the center pole rather than the far right pole. But no remaining secret found in any room in the last section. Game is no longer fun.

Diane, it is to the left of the center pole.  It is in the second row from the top rooms and second room to the left of that pole.  The room contains some vines.  Look for a spot in that room that has more glow than other glowing areas in that room.

OK, had wrong pole in mind.

Finally found them all. The last one was a bear to find. It really looks like there should nothing there. Nicely done.

I've played that mansion like approximately twenty times, and I still haven't found all 13 secrets. Highest I've found is 11.

Freddy wrote on 21.11.2011 at 00:05:23:

Finished it with all secrets and money in just a little bit more than half an hour. ...

Really? Today I did finish this mansion with 61 %.
:-?

This is a very clever build mansion with a large variety of puzzles. And because of the missing stuff a return visit worthwhile.
:)

Question in the margin: is it possible that the playing time stops while using the map?

There is progress. But still 2 'easy' secrets missing.
:-[

One would expect that at least one has to do with this 'black hole', but my Jack didn't find an entrance.

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