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brell YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1783 Moita, Portugal Gender:	Re: Helter Skullter Reply #20 - 14.03.2007 at 07:59:08 Yes, he does as far as I have noticed. We always end the uploading process with an announcement although we may forget it of course sometimes.
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Reply #21 - 14.03.2007 at 10:19:10

Psychotronic -

I think feelings about "Helter Skelter" depend on your age. Of course it was a great Beatle's song. Unfortnately for those of us alive during Charles Mansion & followers' horrific killing of a pregnant Sharon Tate, her unborn baby and her friends, Helter Skelter and The Manson Family- or a take off of their names - will never be a good name for a game or evoke neutral feelings. "It depends on how you look at it."

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Reply #22 - 14.03.2007 at 12:07:02

sherryl199 wrote on 14.03.2007 at 10:19:10:

Psychotronic -

I think feelings about "Helter Skelter" depend on your age. Of course it was a great Beatle's song. Unfortnately for those of us alive during Charles Mansion & followers' horrific killing of a pregnant Sharon Tate, her unborn baby and her friends, Helter Skelter and The Manson Family- or a take off of their names - will never be a good name for a game or evoke neutral feelings. "It depends on how you look at it."

...'Kay.

I do know the story, and Manson is the first thing I think of when anyone says "Helter Skelter". And pig farms are the first thing I think of when somebody says "Green River". But I don't think words should be off-limits because they become associated with some psycho. Without the media frenzy and the public fascination, these guys wouldn't have the power (and sometimes the motivation) that they do. I feel like it's basically a healthy thing to burn through the coat of awe surrounding their crimes and to simply use words the way they were intended. Holding murderers up as a mythical embodiment of evil does just as much to prolong their legacy as joking about them or studying them does. Arguably more. I don't think this has to do with age so much as world-view.

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Reply #23 - 14.03.2007 at 13:01:25

Here I go again........

The name had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH CHARLES MANSON. I was going with the confusion definition. If you look at mansions by M&J you will see VERY symmetrical structures with very straight floors and lots of 90 degree angles. This was an exercise in non linear and random placement of platforms. As I was beginning to draw HS I happened to have the Beatles on. Normally I listen to a lot of classical, fusion rock and heavy metal. I wanted to get into a different mind set so I changed what I was listening to. Lo and behold just as I was starting to draw skeleton spiders on came Helter Skelter. Wow, karma talking to me, Helter SKULLTER!
So if anyone feels reluctant to play this mansion simple because of it's name then think of it as Hopping Skipping, or Hocus Scopus, or Hairy Scorpion, or Hot Skivvies, or Homey Sisters or yadayadayada. As someone recently remarked to me IT'S A GAME!
Enough already......
As I've stated before, we play mansions, we design mansions, if a question is asked and we have the answer we respond, if we don't we suggest alternates. If you get enjoyment out of our mansions by all means play them but if you choose not to play because of an unintended connotation that your minds eye has seen fit to tag our mansion with then don't play.
I apologize for the length of this post but this needs to stop now.

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joeb Adventurer Offline Posts: 360	Re: Helter Skullter Reply #24 - 14.03.2007 at 22:29:11 Question: Just out of curiosity, why is all this negativity on my posts? I would think that The Mansion Family is a lot closer to Charles than Helter Skullter. Maybe there's another variable in play here.
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Psychotronic Explorer Offline Posts: 174 Alaska Gender:	Re: Helter Skullter Reply #25 - 15.03.2007 at 01:34:28 joeb wrote on 14.03.2007 at 22:29:11: Question: Just out of curiosity, why is all this negativity on my posts? I would think that The Mansion Family is a lot closer to Charles than Helter Skullter. Maybe there's another variable in play here. I'm rather confused about that as well.
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joeb Adventurer Offline Posts: 360	Re: Helter Skullter Reply #26 - 15.03.2007 at 01:51:02 Too many cycles wasted. From now on I think it's going to be Hopping Skipping, the mansion formerly known as Helter Skullter. jb
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Reply #27 - 15.03.2007 at 01:56:56

I don't understand that either...Joe. I thought I had made it clear about a week or so ago....for both of us, in a way...when I said that naming a mansion "The Mansion Family" (and that applies even more for your Helter Skullter) is based first and foremost on the great word-play, and does in no way imply any justification of Manson's crimes.

And I thought we had already left that discussion behind.

I'm really not a friend of these "over-politically-correct" people.... ''cause what it ends with is, you can't say this, you can't make that joke etc...... and in the end we have the OPPOSITE of FREEDOM.
Speech control or something.....

Jesus, one day somebody tries to make Paul McCartney responsible for the Tate/LaBianca murders......because he dared writing a song that eventually ended up becoming Manson's faveourite song.

Cool it.....folks.... as someone said.... this is just a game. If you don't like a certain mansion's name - don't play it.
Watch TV instead.... (where 10 people are killed per minute.)

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joeb Adventurer Offline Posts: 360	Re: Helter Skullter Reply #28 - 15.03.2007 at 01:58:52 AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
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aquaMat Expedition Leader Offline Posts: 1159 Berlin, Germany Gender:	Re: Helter Skullter Reply #29 - 15.03.2007 at 02:02:14 P.S. Apart from that..... Joe, I think the fact that this discussion happened here and not in the MansionFamily thread is only by chance / coincidence. I really doubt there's more to it. You know how easy people stray off topic on these boards.....
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