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Freddy YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1765 Brugge, Belgium Gender:	Duplicating Jack 02.01.2007 at 05:52:02 Is there anyone who remembers how Alexander succeeded in duplicating Jack in The Dalton Brothers ?
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Re: Duplicating Jack
Reply #1 - 02.01.2007 at 16:54:11

Freddy wrote on 02.01.2007 at 05:52:02:

Is there anyone who remembers how Alexander succeeded in duplicating Jack in

The Dalton Brothers

?

I remember that one, as I was very impressed by it and started a couple of experiments in that direction myself:
You have to COPY and PASTE a second (or more) Jack into the room you're designing.
Problem is, they all move in sync.

I even succeeded in having several Jacks walk thru a succession of rooms (once, one Jack is entering a new room, the 'clone-Jacks' are "materializing" in that new room at their respective spots.
Unfortunately I did not succeed in creating a really working gameplay with that method (means: the Jacks just move too 'robotic' in sync, which doesn't lend itself to a 'storyline' or something).
The guy who did the Dalton Brothers Mansion must have had the same problem... but I was very impressed, how he managed to come up with a playable mansion (albeit only one room).

About a month ago I tried to work out a MIRROR room, where the second Jack would move as a mirror image of the first.
Well, what can I tell you....

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Freddy YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1765 Brugge, Belgium Gender:	Re: Duplicating Jack Reply #2 - 02.01.2007 at 20:31:04 aquaMat wrote on 02.01.2007 at 16:54:11: ... You have to COPY and PASTE a second (or more) Jack into the room you're designing. Problem is, they all move in sync. ... I have tried COPY and PASTE, but my "previous" Jack always disappears. So I never get more than one. What do you mean with "move in sync"?
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Reply #3 - 02.01.2007 at 21:19:32

Freddy wrote on 02.01.2007 at 20:31:04:

aquaMat wrote on 02.01.2007 at 16:54:11:

... You have to COPY and PASTE a second (or more) Jack into the room you're designing.
Problem is, they all move in sync. ...

I have tried COPY and PASTE, but my "previous" Jack always disappears. So I never get more than one. Sad

What do you mean with "move in sync"?

After I wrote that last reply I went back to my old test mansion with the two Jacks (it still exists), but I couldn't repeat the trick either.
I must have forgotten something. Embarrassed

All I remember is, you had to make a selection square around Jack, then alt+Click (+drag) it to copy + paste a second Jack. But probably there was another little thing i don't remembner, as it works, but as soon as I lift the finger of the mouse, the second Jack vanishes again.

By 'move in-sync' I mean that naturally: when you let one Jack walk in a certain direction all clones duplicate that behaviour.
My dream always was to have one Jack walk thru a mansion, and then suddenly he comes into a room where another Jack is waiting for him.... or where there's a mirror.... stuff like that...!

Where's the designer of the Dalton Bros.? He might re-tell us the little bit that's missing....

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Reply #4 - 02.01.2007 at 23:49:32

Hey Freddy:
I got it.... !!

I experimented a bit...until finally it worked:

You have to make a selection square, alt+click/drag to copy additional Jacks and then DO NOT click on anything else. but select comnd-O (to open another room). When asked "save this room?" you prompt yes.
Then select another room, as if you want to open it, then return to the original room...and voilà - all Jack clones are still there.

Guess I'll fool around with it a bit more.... it's fun !

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Freddy YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1765 Brugge, Belgium Gender:	Re: Duplicating Jack Reply #5 - 03.01.2007 at 02:37:22 Thanks for the info. It really works. But continuing in a next room is very very strange. EDIT: And have you seen that although the Jacks move sync, they do NOT sleep together! Or play yoyo?
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Reply #6 - 03.01.2007 at 17:35:10

Freddy wrote on 03.01.2007 at 02:37:22:

EDIT: And have you seen that although the Jacks move sync, they do NOT sleep together! Grin

Or play yoyo?

Oh yes.... Wink

But wait.... last night I managed to let one Jack come pretty close to another Jack..... he was almost harassing him from behind

..... with the help of a conveyor belt you can decrease the "fixed distance" between two Jacks until the point where..... (censored).

Maybe I'll create a little XXX movie later...

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Maniac Lost One Offline Posts: 15 Below the earth Gender:	Re: Duplicating Jack Reply #7 - 06.01.2007 at 07:48:42 Hmm, so that's how you do that... I'm tempted to temporarily cease development on Smallsome Swicks in order to start a new mansion with puzzles exploiting this quirk. Vern, this behavior was definitely not intended, right? But at least it's consistent with your assumptions when you made the program, right?
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Reply #8 - 06.01.2007 at 17:17:52

Mmmmm ...

I am thinking about making a small mansion with this feature, that I will NOT release. But I want to release ... the movie of it!!!

Yesterday I succeeded in doing very very odd and funny things. But it seems almost impossible to make a mansion from it that may be "played".

How about Jack no. 2 flying over the head of Jack no. 1? Or Jack playing yoyo while sleeping? Ever seen him playing with 4 yoyo's? Opening a blue door from a distance? One Jack suddenly becoming two?

Simple: you will not believe your eyes! Smiley

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brell YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1792 Moita, Portugal Gender:	Re: Duplicating Jack Reply #9 - 06.01.2007 at 20:37:52 I was just creating 2 very simple rooms with 2 Jacks. Amazing effects! Definitely worth experimenting with this.
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