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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #170 - 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36

Freddy wrote on 12.06.2023 at 00:45:31:

QUESTIONS

1. Please have a brief look in the first rooms of the purple section because the information on the (now) two signs did change and then continue till you could get the second yellow key of the mansion in the room with the skeletons. I am interested in your opinion.

Signs are good, especially number two. What are XXS poles?
Changes are good. The second yellow key was hard to find as it were before. Other changes are subtle but I think they are for the better.

Freddy wrote on 12.06.2023 at 00:45:31:

2. In TZ1 I added a grey door. Together with the slight changes in the purple area it is meant as 'training' before the start issue in the blue area. Does it work?

To me it looks like you have added two grey doors? In 16702 (top middle) and 16902 (bottom right)? Yes, it works. Especially the upper door gives a valuable hint for the blue key in 16903.

Freddy wrote on 12.06.2023 at 00:45:31:

3. I spend the whole weekend at rearranging the eight rooms starting with 17501. Do you think that this area still is a 'transit zones'? (I don't.)

I never saw it as a transit zone.

Freddy wrote on 12.06.2023 at 00:45:31:

4. Any remarks about this small area?

I really like the changes in 17501. Now I know what XXS poles are

What is the lower sinking platform for in 17701?
The broken vases in 17901 are good to hide an unexplained programming error. The door puzzle is also very interesting.
Door puzzle in 17902 is better now IMO
What is the moving platform for in 17903?
18103 is better now but the spiders should perhaps move a little bit slower?
18102: Jack figured out how to separate the spiders. Easy when you know how.
18101: Perhaps Jack should be able to move on somehow without having to separate the spiders again? What is the blue key in this room for?

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brell YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1787 Moita, Portugal Gender:	Re: MM2 - Brave New World Reply #171 - 12.06.2023 at 20:46:37 There is a possible Jack-stuck in the room on the picture. Jack can jump off the vine and land behind the grey door.
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Freddy YaBB Administrator Offline Posts: 1752 Brugge, Belgium Gender:	Re: MM2 - Brave New World Reply #172 - 13.06.2023 at 02:23:21 brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 20:46:37: There is a possible Jack-stuck in the room on the picture. Jack can jump off the vine and land behind the grey door. Thanks for reporting. I'll try to solve this with ladders replacing the vines. Because there is more than one vine-door combination!
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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #173 - 13.06.2023 at 03:08:24

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

To me it looks like you have added two grey doors? In 16702 (top middle) and 16902 (bottom right)? Yes, it works. Especially the upper door gives a valuable hint for the blue key in 16903.

In the most recent version of BNW only in room 16702 of TZ was an added grey door. The other one came there in an earlier version and is part of a multiple trigger issue.

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

What is the lower sinking platform for in 17701?

Nothing. Is a leftover that I will remove.

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

The broken vases in 17901 are good to hide an unexplained programming error. The door puzzle is also very interesting.

Thx! At first I was going to remove the triggered levers, but while thinking about the consequences I came up with this alternative.

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

What is the moving platform for in 17903?

It was just a matter of feeling. I was wondering if players would miss the revealing of

the backpack

at the right of the screen while Jack is in action at the left. Leaving or removing it?
Undecided

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

18103 is better now but the spiders should perhaps move a little bit slower?

Will be done.

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

18102: Jack figured out how to separate the spiders. Easy when you know how.

Around noon Belgian time your text looked different ...
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I do hope that the coloured balls under the doors and levers are helping enough to keep the level 'normal'. What also helps is that the player endlessly may pull the levers till it suits.

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

18101: Perhaps Jack should be able to move on somehow without having to separate the spiders again? What is the blue key in this room for?

The blue key was always (green and) at the right of the silver blocks and then I made changes and more changes ... So the blue key is needed to open the blue door in the room at the right. But to be honest I need to check if this door also may be opened with the other blue key.
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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #174 - 13.06.2023 at 15:41:56

Freddy wrote on 13.06.2023 at 03:08:24:

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

What is the moving platform for in 17903?

It was just a matter of feeling. I was wondering if players would miss the revealing of

the backpack

at the right of the screen while Jack is in action at the left. Leaving or removing it?

It's up to you but there is no harm in keeping it

Freddy wrote on 13.06.2023 at 03:08:24:

brell wrote on 12.06.2023 at 18:56:36:

18101: Perhaps Jack should be able to move on somehow without having to separate the spiders again? What is the blue key in this room for?

The blue key was always (green and) at the right of the silver blocks and then I made changes and more changes ... So the blue key is needed to open the blue door in the room at the right. But to be honest I need to check if this door also may be opened with the other blue key.
Embarrassed

Actually there are three blue keys but only two blue doors in this section.

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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #176 - 13.06.2023 at 17:36:19

About room 18102.

When Jack enters the room for the first time he has to go for the lantern which is inevitable for progress via the previous room.

At this point Jack can't go to the bottom floor since the grey door at his right is still closed. Leaves two options:
a. pulling the levers;
b. going back to the not-dark-anymore-room etc.

Do you think it is fair enough to offer Jack this dilemma? Wink

Because option a is superfluous work.

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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #177 - 14.06.2023 at 17:05:58

Freddy wrote on 13.06.2023 at 17:36:19:

About room 18102.

When Jack enters the room for the first time he has to go for the lantern which is inevitable for progress via the previous room.

At this point Jack can't go to the bottom floor since the grey door at his right is still closed. Leaves two options:
a. pulling the levers;
b. going back to the not-dark-anymore-room etc.

Do you think it is fair enough to offer Jack this dilemma? Wink

Because option a is superfluous work.

Don't see any problem with that.

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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #178 - 15.06.2023 at 15:40:18

No zip yet. But all promised fixings have been done. I also did a lot of polishing work, like changing the following order of

the five falling keys

in function of the oncoming needs. Or moving/adding shields. And preventing accidents, e.g. with a very short vine or an in the lava hidden fishbone, to keep the level 'normal'.

I made more important changes in the area 18101-18103 of which I hope that they are improvements. Have a look at the center of the image. The playing flow feels in my opinion much better now.

Btw, on the bottomfloor you see my Jack's best split of these critters ever.
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Re: MM2 - Brave New World
Reply #179 - 18.06.2023 at 00:35:07

The 20th version of MM2 - BNW betatesting is enclosed. Let's have a party.
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17501
Please restart testing from the (8th) save pedestal in this room. Previous play should have given you $ 16.000 and 14 found secrets.
Music (no. 3) was added for this brown area.

17701
As mentioned before, the lower sinking platform at the right got removed.
I really needed to take care for any Jack in good shape (with a lot of shields). That is why

the red and green keys are closest

right now. Otherwise there wouldn't be JS situations but too much backtracking.

17901
The only vine is longer now. Jack doesn't die anymore when dropping down to the vase.
The shield is in a better position to prevent a forced or accidental filling of the backpack.
Q: Do you think, getting the lantern deserves an S?

18101
The first, dark and short visit to this room now leads to two gold coins. The three safe spots should guarantee the normal level.

17902
Watch out! The place of the left fish bone changed. That was to avoid accidental death (or loss of a shield) while jumping over that small block on the middle floor, when the fishbone is hidden in the lava.
On that same floor the wall at the left got replaced by a grey door. That creates a short cut back to keys and shields.
A reward of $ 25 got added ...
Kiss

18103
All spiders are slower.
I made finding the first press button more normal. I hope.

18102
As promised. The added gold blocks guarantee fluid play between this and next room.

18101
Re-entered with light. Typical MM2 situation where senselessly is the hint.
Q: Executing okay for a normal level?
Personal impession. Just like eyeballs and fishbones, wind makes an endless noise ...

Q: Try to go on till the exit. Enjoy the new TGV, made in Belgium. Wink

There are 9 secrets to be found on the road.

16098
In the final room I made the 2 coins invisible. That makes the look of the very first room room much better!
Wink

Perfect play leads to $ 33.000

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