Zip 022 is included.

About a week ago I was busy with the last room of the brown area and the start of the next very very grey area. That resulted in troubles with the bookkeeping. Playing results didn't fit with what was mentioned in the builder's mansion info. It took me several efforts to 'find' all coins and bags and realize that when playing in the builder,  in each part of the mansion the first backpack doesn't add € 500 to the account. Oh dear!


It would be nice if someone will do a thorough test of the brown area which is from save 8 ($ 16.000) to 9 ($ 21.000). The grey area isn't accessible right now. For those who want to go on to the finish ($ 33.375) I made a deviation.

The recent changes.

17901
At the spot where the lantern-T is, now is also a T for opening a grey door in the upper left corner. Behind that door is a lever to open a crucial grey door in the middle of the room that guarantees progress. All these make it impossible to open that door without having the lantern. What results in play on normal level, I hope.

17902
On the floor directly below the lava the silver coin got moved upwards, so that when taking it, the revealing of the moneybag is more striking.

17903
Added a shield and coins.

17904
I did remove the silver coin again because it looked bad (visual pollution).
Q: Secret still hinted enough?

18101
In the upper left corner a coin reveals (late) to expose that the floating platform and vine have sense. Meanwhile hopefully avoiding that Jack does stupid things in the dark.

18100
I changed the starting place of the moving platform to improve the flow.
Q: Normal level in this room?

18300
It felt better to bring the yellow door from the upper right corner in 18299 to the other two doors in the upper left corner of this room. I also made the space left of the green door larger, so that Jack has the possibility to follow a troll upwards the ladder without too much risks. That is better for the flow.
Take not that the trolls do not move randomly.

18299
I was briefly out of puzzle-inspiration (just like in 17905).
Q: Is a room like this okay in this mansion?
The upper left corner is part of the temporary deviation.

18099
What disturbs me in this room is the place of the save pedestal.
Q: I am very interested in your opinion about everything in this room.

Thanks for all your remarks, .

brell wrote on 26.06.2023 at 17:38:14:

Easy to fix. Will do that.

brell wrote on 26.06.2023 at 17:38:14:

To be able to catch the green key. Could you get it without the use of that platform?

And here is zip 023. The amount of money between saves 8 and 9 is now $ 5.500.

brell wrote on 26.06.2023 at 17:38:14:

It rarely happens, but I did the contrary of what you suggested. What not need to be the final decision!
Well, when I started the design of this room the platform had the standard speed of 4. Due to the concept of the room Jack has to jump several times from both balconies to the platform. To assure a good flow, I raised the speed to 5. But you were right that something had to be done to get closer to level 'normal'.
So first of all I did raise the speed to 6 and then polished all jumps till they felt 'normal'.
Q: Do the changes feel as an improvement?

18099
I made several changes. Among them the fixing of the green key issue.
Q: What is your impression? Better or worse? Probably better because I added an extra $ 500.

Freddy wrote on 29.06.2023 at 00:03:01:


Answer to both questions:  Better

I should have mentioned it earlier, because I noticed this issue when making changes in the transit zone. It is important for the designer to test from save point to save point, because it isn't harmless to make late-late slight changes like removing a gold coin and adding two silver coins in the same room, with the idea that it doesn't matter for already existing further saves.

To illustrate what I mean I added two pictures from room 17901. They are both shots from the map.

Image A shows the room after having started at save 8, entered room 17901 and stopped playing/testing in the next room. Jack went to the right through the green door, leaving the enemies alive and saving the shield for later.

Image B shows the same room after having started at the already existing save 9. After immediately unfolding the map the two removed gold coins stay invisible, because already taken. The new grey door and the silver coins are now shown! Besides the fact that it would confuse the player seriously, it also means that it is possible to go back to that room, take the extra money and resave at no. 9 with more money than there is available in the mansion!


Betatesters are not supposed to worry about that, although I believe that it is important for them to be aware of this issue. Because it could be of interest to check earlier parts of the mansion when you are missing some money.

Some of my saves are:


Zip 024 is included.

Containing the following changes:
- 17901 the niche above the platform (coins, lever, T's);
- 18100 the upper left corner (to force Jack to open the revealing door);
- 18099 L6-things below the grey door and above right of the left ladder.

Q: Is the hint in the middle enough to find the needed key?